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Posted Monday, December 06, 2010 6:13 PM
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Interesting violin.
Any Ideas?



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Posted Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:53 AM


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This is an interesting-looking fiddle. I would recommend using the free online appraisal service (http://www.cozio.com/appraisaldescription.aspx) to have it evaluated by experts.

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Posted Thursday, December 09, 2010 3:52 PM
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I can tell it is not a Guarneri. Still I would like to buy it. Is it for sale?
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Posted Monday, December 20, 2010 5:54 PM
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I agree that it is a nice looking fiddle.
But I have never seen an italian violin with an f-hole location like this.
Whenever I see violins with f-holes that are set so low in relation to the corners, I'm reminded of old bohemian violins. Apart from the f-holes, this violin doesn't look very bohemian, though.
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Posted Monday, December 20, 2010 11:43 PM
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I'm agree, the violin looks like south-german, not italian. The wood of the back is quite cheap, no way it is Guarneri and I'm in doubt it has an italian origin, but generally it is nice violin.
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Posted Friday, December 24, 2010 7:02 PM
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I agree too about the south - german origin.
but so far with my experinece with cellos, I saw a south german cello early 18th century very similar to it in the body ( except the f holes)
so far great meisters as geissenhof had later this kind of varnish.
The scroll doesn't look to be at the same level of the rest ( repaired in a way , till now i've seen only on instruments coming from eastern europe.....pretty barbaric)
Maybe it doesn't belong to the rest (it is just an impression)
Though it is highly intresting and i bet it has a brilliant with a hint of warmness sound on the I and II, and a light but resonant basses.
merry xmas to everybody!!!!
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Posted Friday, December 24, 2010 8:57 PM
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The violin is a Guarnerius through and through. The soundholes are almost identical to a violin of 1724, with which I am quite familiar. The soundholes also match closely with the circa 1742 Guarnerius owned by the Hungarian government. The same varnish can be seen on several other instruments by this maker, as well.

That the original peg-box / volute appears to have been altered, or damaged and repaired is unfortunate, but I rather suspect a switch/swap long ago - by hands unknown.

Many fine old instruments, in places far and near, are coming out of hiding since WWII has become a distant memory to the decendants of that era.

Merry Christmas!

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Posted Saturday, December 25, 2010 4:21 PM
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I have to disagree. On basically all classic cremonese violins (made in the amati tradition) the lower eyes of the f-holes are aligned with the lowest point of the c-bout purfling. On this violin they are about 6-9mm lower.
Show me any Guarneri with a similar placing of the f-holes.
And that is only one of many things that don't fit.

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Posted Saturday, December 25, 2010 5:58 PM
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well 2 considerations
-many( not everyone) guarneri and guadagnini etcetc belonging to state collections of Romania, Hunagaria, ex-Czekoslovakia , Poland , ex soviet union, are not what indicated: not necessarily are fakes but are probably good italian and french ( not nto talk about the Voller brothers) that simply need a correct attribution : example a State collection guadagnini cello of one of this country is not a guadagnini at all but it is a middle class Piedmont instrument of the XIX.
-actually if we categorically exclude the 2 Pietros and Del Gesu,
i don't see in the epoch of Andrea and Joseph filus Andrea this violin.
Then sorry, which Guarneri among the 5 you mean?
Still i think it is a very interesting violin, I can't exclude an italian origin, i can only somehow see that is post 1780 probably, and for my limited experience that a good varnish like that was used sometimes in Fuessen and around and in Wien ( see D.A.Stadlmann too)
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Posted Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:49 AM
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I have to disagree. On basically all classic cremonese violins (made in the amati tradition) the lower eyes of the f-holes are aligned with the lowest point of the c-bout purfling. On this violin they are about 6-9mm lower.
Show me any Guarneri with a similar placing of the f-holes.
And that is only one of many things that don't fit.

It is perfectly fine if you disagree, the violin is still a Guarneri del Gesu.

Some years ago a rather animated discussion  (in another thread) ended in the banishment of 2 highly knowledgeable connoisseurs, one from Russia, the other from the US.

The reason for banishment being: that at least one participant had information concerning the certain Andrea Gisalberti, and his pupil Joseph Antonio Guarneri which has never been "accepted" by main-stream dealers. However, more recent discoveries (through scholarly research - in Italy - in the church archives - in Cremona) have firmly established that Joseph Antonio Guarneri did exist, and moved to Cremona around the turn of the 18th century. This maker was the nephew of Andrea, not his grandson, Bartolomeo Giuseppe Guarneri, whose instruments are very similar to del Gesu's; because - using all reason of mind - he was trained by Guarneri del Gesu.

Most recently: J&A Beare (aka Charles) 'certified' a very fine Andrea Gisalberti. Hopefully this will bring future opportunity to those who own instruments which either have not been recognized due to dealer incompetence, or outright debunked perchance they no longer bear their original tickets.

I have, in essence, taken up the effort because it is evident to me that a great injustice has been perpetrated and the time has come for correction. I speak with authority as a life-long (50+ years) connoisseur of Joseph Guarneri del Gesu , having in my physical possession more than one example by his own hand, all but one bearing the undisturbed original black letter tickets.

I am also intimately acquainted with what may well be the finest toned specimen extant. (It has been played by highly skilled professionals -concert master and his assistant  - against their "highly regarded" loaner Stradivaris - and (the Guarnerius) literally blew the varnish off both of them!)

The violin bears the inscription "I N R I" to the underside of the belly, just below the rounded platform which rests upon the head block. (Anyone who has ever seen the inside of a true Guarneri del Gesu will instantly recognize this feature, if ever they see it again.)

Make no mistake: I know the man's work quite well, probably better than anyone living today. It is my labor of love, nothing more or less. 

Cheers!

era

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