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There is a species of maple called English Sycamore, Acer Pseudoplatunus, that has apparently been the choice of European violinmakers for 4 centuries. Enclosed is a good picture of some quartersawn English Sycamore. It is recognizeable by the extreme dichromaticism of the flames, and vertical sap lines. It is apparently native to Europe, softer than hard maple, and produces a silkier and more refined tone than hard maple. Is it true that most of the old Cremonese violins are built from this variety of wood? Are there any specific examples that could be seen on the Cozio.com websight? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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| Hi Britain, If you search for 'sycamore' (http://www.cozio.com/search.aspx?sbox=sycamore), you'll find a few instruments with sycamore backs. I couldn't say, though, whether they have 'English sycamore'.
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| English Sycamore is almost indistinguishable from some other varieties of maple, so many of the violins may not have been recognized as being constructed from this wood. If anyone could explain how to determine if it is ES rather than another species, that would be very helpful. I read that ES has lighter/darker flames than other varieties and is more dichromatic. I suppose if the presence of vertical sap lines were evident, that may help to make the determination. Also, possibly some differences in the grain pattern that would be visible under a magnifying glass.
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| Hi Britain. English Sycamore is the same as European Maple. Maple is the term usually used in the US and Sycamore is a more antiquated term in Europe. Some Europeans, though, use the term interchangeably. The Sycamore in the US probably got its name as a misnomer of sorts because the leaves look like the European Sycamore (or European Maple). Because it is plentiful, Acer pseudoplatanus, is found alot on fiddles and grows over almost all of Europe. Today, what a maker pays the most for is the quarter sawn mountain grown variety. Because of this, there generally are three varieties of lumber from suppliers, European Maple, Bosnian Maple and Balkan Maple, but they are all Acer pseudoplatanus. They simply are this species grown in those respective areas. If you want to get a good feel for identifying it, violin bridges that have clear flecks visible in the wood are made from quarter sawn Acer pseudoplatanus. That's almost all of them. The wood needs to be quarter sawn for the flecks to appear, usually anyway. The great debate that surfaces from time to time is not the species, as most fiddles use the same species, but the lumber selection and where it originates. As a rule, uniform straight grain costs more than variant grain. This is partly for appearance, and partly because the more uniform the grain, the easier it is to produce a good tone in a fiddle. But it isn't mandatory. Nor is it a guarantee. The big hypothesis in fiddle tone right now is that makers such as Stradivari and Del Gesu had a secret weapon because of the wood they had at their disposal. The cooler growing climate hypothesis, or the 'tap tone of the tree' hypothesis, et al, have fueled alot of this and make interesting programming on the Discovery Channel. The problem I have with these hypotheses is that 1) Those who assert these have never made a violin or they would see how offbeat the idea is. 2) Saying that Stradivari was an artist because he selected good wood is the same as saying Michelangelo was a great sculptor because he used great marble. So what does any of the foregoing have to do with your question? Plenty. Your description of Acer pseudoplatanus is pretty much right on. Simply viewing it will help you pretty much get a feel for it. Quarter sawn is the easiest to identify as it will also have the flecks similar to those often found on bridges. Looking at your specimen you have produced I would guess this specimen is from lower altitude growth as there exist some broad grain and the curls are perpendicular, not slanted. The cut looks like it is rift sawn, or possibly slab-cut. This would make this board a very common board. Quarter sawn simply means that one face of the board, at least, lies on the diameter of the tree. The grain, therefore, runs 90 degrees to the face. If you examine the end of the board you will see this. Rift sawn is a little off so the grain when viewed on end is angular. Slab-cut is parallel to the diameter and loops back and forth when viewed on end. By modern selection, most makers would reject your specimen. But take a look at some examples of A. Stradivari on this site alone: #77 Leopold Auer, slab-cut; #1565 Lady Rebecca, slab-cut; #1980 Spencer Dyke, slab-cut (you will NEVER find a more "plain Jane" back than this one!). In short, all of those selections, appear to me anyway, to be Acer pseudoplatanus, and yet how different from what we expect a maker to pick today! Best wishes, I hope this helps even though it is just a little long-winded
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| My apologies, Britain. I read your post again and you note it is quarter sawn. It just looks rift sawn to me in the picture. I should have read your post more closely! Best wishes
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| A wonderful post and very informative. I was particularly interested in the mention of the sap lines from the lower altitudes, if I read that correctly. Such findings could certainly be an important development, especially when trying to determine the origin of a violin if using the origns of the wood used on the violin as a default for where the violin was built. The most important factor with that method is that you have correctly identified the origins/species of the wood, which apparently is very confusing. Isn't the dichromatic flash in the flames of ES somehow different than other species? Perhaps ES has a trichromatic flash, in other words, 3 colors instead of 2, in the flames. Perhaps that is why a beautiful piece of this wood looks so spectacular when lovingly coated with gooey thick varnish! I know the Japanese Forestry Society used a trichromatic colorimeter to test this on some 40 species of wood, but am not certain if they tested ES. Anyway, please add more if you feel so inclined....very interesting topic!
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| Hi again, Britain. I am not sure how to answer your questions as I don't approach wood in that manner. I basically can identify two woods for backs. They are: 1)European Maple, and 2)if it isn't. This is just from working with it more than anything else. The reason I point to the three Strads previously, is that there is much more variety used by the Cremonese makers than makers today often will dare to do. And sometimes are even aware of. The ancients used slabs, quarter sawn, two piece, flamed, plain and whole mixtures of the two. Ascending curls, descending curls and level. The thing this tells me, is that they did not evidently put much stock in the specific approach to the selection of material as much as to their own ability to accomplish what they wanted from the material they had in front of them. This is the mark of a real artist. And then to turn out as much variety as they did and quantity as well. There are two distinct differences from slow-growth European Maple and normal growth. Slow growth has narrower grain because the tree does not grow as much each year. This is known readily. Another difference, however, is that only slow-growth European Maple has curls at a slant to the grain. It can also have perpendicular, but normal growth is always only perpendicular. This is what those who handle it tell me. Here is an example, the Strad Soil (the 1714 #251, not the 1708 Soil). This is a beautiful two piece back with slanted ascending curl from center. (The Mendelssohn Strad #316 is another beauty that slants as well, only in the opposite direction.) If you notice the grain is tight from bout to bout. The wood is quarter sawn as the tiny flecks are visible in the photo shot on this website. That wood is clearly slow-growth for it has both characteristics mentioned earlier. The 1714 Soil is considered by some to be the finest soloist instrument around. The tone is reported and recorded as superb (Of course it doesn't hurt that Yehudi Menuhin and Itzhak Perlman have been warming it up for 60 years!) Those who assert the slow-growth theory for tone point to this one and a few others as evidence of their hypothesis. The problem with this strategy of logic, however, is that neither Stradivari nor any other contemporary could have held to this rigidly or they would have made all their instruments this same way and they did not. This is even clearer with their selection of the spruce tops. These vary quite a bit from instrument to instrument in width of grain. Apparently, alot of their selection was what was on hand and aesthetics more than anything else. The rest is simply the skill of the maker. That can only be duplicated by another one with skill, not from just the same type tree.
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So based on all that info, is it possible to tell the origins of the wood on this instrument from the picture? It has vertical grains and is strongly di/trichromatic.
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| Hello again. The back is pretty, Britain. The wood appears fairly common, that is, to me. I am solely judging by comparing it to what I have worked with. Generally, the wood appears to have variant growth lines, that is, some are broader than others. It also appears to have been cut from a small tree. Wood of that nature is easier to find. This in reality does not mean alot, nor does it reflect on the skill of the maker(s) or quality of the instrument. It just is my opinion about your question. As for WHERE the wood came from, I am sure there are experts who could say. The more important question is, Where is the violin made? The origin of the wood cannot answer that. Best wishes
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| There is a folklorish story about this violin that it was buried by monks in a red violin case and dug up in the late 19th century, but it is difficult to prove. Apparently it was actually buried with the violinist who played it for many years. You can see a picture of that interesting case in the forum topic "the red violin case" in the instrument identification section of the forum.
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