Label: original
Table: of fine grain with no cracks or patches
Back: Two-piece of medium horizontal curl
Body Length: 35.2 cm.

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Provenance

Owner Owned From Owned In Owned Till Price paid
Marc Antonetto (Switzerland)   2000       
Otto Senn (Basel)  1921    2000   
Albert Caressa (Paris)         
Madame Berber (Munich)         
Felix Berber (Geneva)  1909    1909   
Caressa & Francais (Paris)  1909    1909   
...         
Enrique Fernandez Arbos  1899      For members only 
W.E. Hill & Sons      1899   
...         
Lutti         
...         
Boissier (Geneva)          
...         
Nicolò Paganini          
...         

Current owner Current owner
Indicates that the owner is or was also a musician Indicates that the owner is or was also a musician

Certificates

Certificate: J. & A. Beare, London, October 1, 2010

Certificate: Caressa & Francais, Paris, November 14, 1921

Certificate: Roland Baumgartner, Basel, March 2, 2000

Dendrochronological analysis: Wolfgang Hamberger, Munich, June, 2010. The two pieces of wood forming the table are from different trees. The youngest ring for one side dates to 1732-33 and matches the table on the 1740 'Ysaye' del Gesu. The youngest ring for the other side dates to 1730-31.

Letter: Albert Caressa, Paris, February 11, 1924

References

Caressa & Francais Notebook (c1900 - 1936), part of the Jacques Francais Collection at the Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C..

The Violin Makers of the Guarneri Family, W. Henry, Arthur F. & Alfred E. Hill, William E. Hill & Sons, London, 1931.

W. E. Hill Business Records (1850 - 1990).

Correspondence with Cozio member, June, 2010.

Correspondence with Cozio member, September, 2008.

Correspondence with Roland Baumgartner, November, 2010.

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Posted Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:41 PM
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is this del Gesu violin the one now owned by a Danish Foundation and played by Nikolaj Znaider?
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Posted Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:16 PM
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I believe it now belongs to a foundation based in Copenhagen. This instrument has been traditionally ascribed to the 1733-34 period. (as first illustrated in Hamma?) However, recent dendrochronological testing indicates the wood used for the top plate is similar to others from the 1742 period. Reports from a most reliable source say this violin (at one time) did not produce a very desirable tone quality. Have hi-res images and it seems to be in sound condition, so the old "setup" may have been corrected by now. Let's hope so!

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Posted Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:11 PM
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I have some questions concerning yours the comment to this violin. From what sources of the information it became known, what the violin by Giuseppe Guarneri del Gesu "ex-Kreisler, ex-Moodie", c.1740 and a violin which belongs The Danish Foundation the same instrument? In what catalogue by Hamma have been submitted photos of the violin by Guarneri del Gesu "ex-Kreisler, ex-Moodie", c.1740? For what violin the dendrological analysis was made, when and where it is published? I have big doubts that a violin about which you have written it really Guarneri del Gesu "ex-Kreisler, ex-Moodie ", c.1740. The violin by Giuseppe Guarneri del Gesu, c.1740, on which played and owned Fritz Kreisler and Alma Spengler (Moodie) it is the instrument - http://www.cozio.com/Instrument.aspx?id=430
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It's possible than #430 and #431 are the same instrument. The only source I have for the existence of this instrument is the Hill book, which lists Alma Moodie as the owner in 1931. They list #430 as a separate instrument, with Otto Senn as the owner in 1931. I haven't seen photos of either instrument, so I can't confirm whether they're actually the same instrument. What makes you think they are?

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The book of  the Hills family William, Arthur and Alfred, "The violin-makers of the Guarneri family", has been published in 1931. A material for this book of Hills was collected more than at 100 years, and it does not mean, that all last owners of instruments owned them in 1931. Hills, in the book, Chapter IV, Giuseppe Guarneri del Gesu, presented some lists of violins by Guarneri del Gesu. So on p. 88 exist a violins: 1. 1740. M. Otto Senn, ex Lutti; and 2. Perid 1740 Mme Alma Moodie, ex-Kreisler. Other, final list, on p. 102, includes only one violin: Perid 1740 Miss Alma Moodie, ex-Kreisler. The second violin absorb in itself the first. It is necessary to note also, that in the first list, p.88, we have - "Madame Alma Moodie", but in the second list, p. 102, we have "Miss Alma Moodie". I am inclined to think, that in the second list is admitted the mistake, and instead of "Miss Alma Moodie" it is necessary to read: "Mrs Alma Moodie". Transformation from "Miss" to "Mrs" or "Madame", has taken place with Alma in 1927. She married a lawyer and widower Alexander Spengler. Till marriage Alma Moodie lived in Switzerland and the later in Germany. Otto Senn has bought a violin #430 at Madame Berber in 1921. It is probable, that for six-ten years, with 1921 till 1927 - 1931, the violin #430 has passed from Otto Senn to Fritz Kreisler, and later to Alma Spengler-Moodie, and was transformed at the last Hills in one violin #431. However early Hills saw or knew this violin earlier and dated it other, earlier year. This mess occured because of top deck on the #430. As a result of this circumstance and in connection with that the violin, during the certain period of time, had no a label, it dated completely different years. But it concerns to #430, while #431 it only a part of a history #430.  
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The description of the direction of the figure in the back of ID:430 does not match the back illustrated in Hamma nor the images sent for my review. Is there no available description for ID: 431? Probably not. Manifold inconsistencies by misattribution as well as the renaming of instruments (and ownership by persons with similar names) have resulted in breaks in provenance throughout all dealer registries.

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Strannik (8/28/2008)
However early Hills saw or knew this violin earlier and dated it other, earlier year. This mess occured because of top deck on the #430. As a result of this circumstance and in connection with that the violin, during the certain period of time, had no a label, it dated completely different years. But it concerns to #430, while #431 it only a part of a history #430.  

(below): rather poor translations, the original descriptions sketchy at best -- probably the confounding factor in sorting out the "mess" Strannik alludes to re: 430?

"PS table violin is not the author who-Italian and very beautiful. the one ff been completely rebouchées. It is a wonderful job and absolutely invisible on the exteriere (Note personal EF) "

1933: The violin is a Jh son Andre. - E.F
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Seemingly a Joseph (figlio Andrea) Guarneri? So why is it recorded as "del Gesu"? So much value rests on so little info; must be an answer somewhere?
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The description of the direction of the figure in the back of ID:430 does not match the back illustrated in Hamma nor the images sent for my review. Is there no available description for ID: 431? Probably not. Manifold inconsistencies by misattribution as well as the renaming of instruments (and ownership by persons with similar names) have resulted in breaks in provenance throughout all dealer registries.

Cheers!

Come to think of it, the violin listed (below) is the very same instrument illustrated in the photographs sent for my review. Goes to show how muddled things are....

http://www.cozio.com/Instrument.aspx?id=4537

Cheers!

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Posted Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:38 AM


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So 430=431=4537? Seems very plausible to me....

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Posted Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:39 AM
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This consideration is not without merit, but scarcity of images/references (for some instruments) prevents making certain. -

For instance, do we know the current residence of Miles Frank Yount's Guarnerius and it's fabulous case?  Did it once pass through the Bloomfield collection? available images?

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