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| Hi Philip, Each plate illustrating violins by Guarneri del Gesu in the Karel Jalovec 1964 (revised edition) of "ITALIAN VIOLIN MAKERS"; illustrates the authentic work of that master. I don't think I've seen plate numbers; 229, 233, 234, 236, and 237 in the Cozio archives, but if you'd like, I will submit them. These plates do happen to be from Hamma, though.  Aw....what the heck!! I sent them already!! John A. Thornton Brewton, Alabama
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| John, Actually, I have this edition, but I haven't had time to go through it yet and add the images that weren't in his earlier editions. Too many instruments, not enough time.... But I'll get to it evenutally.
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Hi John, What for Cozio your plates by Guarneri del Gesu, from book Jalovek, when he "identifies" any instrument as “the German of 19 centuries”, and any criticism perceives as the personal insult. Piligrim
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well,well, pilgrim,
you are exactely the kind (in italy we say so....) that in every Forum "piscia fuori dall'orinale".
now , nobody is interested in your sarcasm, your personal enemies, your fantasies about seeing Guarn.&Strad in everything that comes out of cellars and lofts.
Cozio is rightly prudent, considering the ENORMOUS amount of german, even good, copies that invaded the market 100 years ago.
now, you and H&C bring facts, legends, knowledges, photos!!!
everything is welcome.
BUT ABSTAIN YOURSELVES FROM PERSONAL COMMENTS ON OTHER MEMBERS.
i'm here to learn something, not to listens to old ladies quarrels.
and your english, please.....
phil, sorry, but is a bit too much, don't you think?
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| Pilgrim is, of course, entitled to his opinions, and I don't for a second take his criticisms personally. But I am concerned about the direction this forum is heading. I had hoped that it would be a place where people with real knowledge about violin-making instrument identification could communicate with one another and could help those of us with less experience. But unfortunately most of the real experts have chosen not to participate, which has left things wide open for a few self-proclaimed experts to put forth their own sometimes-bizarre theories. Just to be clear, I'm talking specifically about Pilgrim and Hammer'n Chisel. Although I'm confident that most Cozio members know enough to be skeptical of what anyone (myself included) says, I'm not really happy that I'm providing a platform for people to disseminate what I consider to be disinformation. That leaves me with two rather draconian choices: 1) ban those members who I feel are damaging the forum; or 2) shut down the forum altogether. If anyone has advice, I'm all ears.
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| Hi Phil, being a new member of the cozio community i was looking forward to exactly what you desribe ,a place for discussion on the many facinating facets of instruments ,the history,the makers,etc ,and as you said possibly for those who wish to express there opinions on instruments posted for identification by members, as with all forums it will attract the sincere, the helpull ,the curious and hopefully the knowledgable , to share and possibly provide a little help to the less knowledgable,however forums will also attract those with there own agendas which may or not as the case may be usefull to the community members, and as a moderator i feel you have no option but to ban members postings when they have obviously breached the heights of credulity and sensibility,to close the forum completely would be a great loss to the members who wish to participate along the accepted guidelines, I personally welcome the opportunity to participate, and hopefuly with my 35yrs plus involvement with violins etc I may at times be able to offer advice and some insite for others ,I would also hope that there will be much to learn and enjoy best wishes Glassman
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| Hi Glassman, Thanks for your feedback, and for your participation in the forum. I received similar messages privately from several Cozio members and have decided to ban Hammer 'n'Chisel and Piligrim. This wasn't an easy decision because I'm very much in favor of people expressing their opinions, which is why I started the forum in the first time. But I felt that the posts from these two were not only outlandish but also dangerous to those with little experience in the violin world who might actually believe that there are hundreds of undiscovered del Gesus and Strads lying in people's attics. Now that these two are gone, I hope the tenor of the discussions will be more reasonable and that others, who may have shied away due to some of the crazy ideas being posted, will decide to participate.
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In my humble opinion the worst mistake ever to be made is to prevent "historically new" ideas from being presented, especially concerning bowed stringed instruments. No one can say (with certainty) how many instruments were made by any luthier from the baroque period, therefore no one can say that 'they've all been accounted for.' Can anyone show documented proof that Bartolomeo Giuseppe Guarneri was called 'del Gesu' during his lifetime? Can anyone disprove that Giuseppe Guarneri "del Gesu" wasn't born the 16th of October, 1687? Documents do exist that confirm his true genealogy and they can still be found in the San Donato archives, in Cremona.
[quote]cozio (4/3/2007)
Pilgrim is, of course, entitled to his opinions, and I don't for a second take his criticisms personally. But I am concerned about the direction this forum is heading. I had hoped that it would be a place where people with real knowledge aboutviolin-making instrument identificationcould communicate with one another and could help those of us with less experience. But unfortunately most of the real experts have chosen not to participate, which has left things wide open for a few self-proclaimed experts to put forth their own sometimes-bizarre theories. Just to be clear, I'm talking specifically about Pilgrim and Hammer'n Chisel.
Although I'm confident that mostCozio members know enoughto be skeptical of what anyone(myself included) says, I'm not really happy that I'm providing a platform for people to disseminate what I consider to be disinformation. That leaves me with two rather draconian choices: 1) ban those members who I feel aredamaging the forum; or 2) shut down the forum altogether. If anyone has advice, I'm all ears.[/quote]
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