Giuseppe Guarneri del Gesù (b 1698; d 1744), Cremona
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Posted Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:11 AM
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In catalogue by Karel Jalovec (Italian violin makers) are submitted the violins by Giuseppe Guarneri del Gesu which I have not found on your site. Photos 172 and 173 - the violin, without date, “ex-Frantishek Ondricek” (back one-piece); a photo 180, the violin dated 1730 (back one-piece).
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Posted Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:22 PM


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I have a different version of Jalovec's book, where the photos aren't numbered, but it also has one-piece back instrument labeled "Ondricek" and another dated 1730. Unfortunately, Jalovec is not always reliable so our general policy has been to list instruments from the Jalovec book only if we can confirm them from a second source. There are actually several other "del Gesus" listed in Jalovec that we decided not to list in our database yet. If you can confirm the authenticity of these two instruments from other sources, please let us know.

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Posted Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:02 AM
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It is creditable, that you use a rule of two sources of the information, likely on this you have not included in the list of instruments belonging Pierre Joseph Rode the violin by Guarneri del Gesu 1730 (ID 389), also submitted in book Karel Jalovec “ Italienische Geigenbauer ”, Artia, Praga, 1957, p. 231, a photo 204. Because of a typing error in book by Hills “ The Violin Makers of the Guarneri family, Their Life and Work ”, we have two Rode, one - Pierre Rode, the second - Frl. (?) Rode, instead of one. Practically all photos from books Karel Jalovec (620 photos) are taken from archive Mr. Fridolin Hamma of Stuttgart and duplicated in books Walter Hamma, and we have as though two sources of the information.
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Posted Friday, October 06, 2006 9:10 AM


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Actually, there's not much overlap between the Fridolin Hamma book published in 1931 and the Walter Hamma book, first published in the 50s or 60s. I think only about 25 instruments -- mostly Strads -- are the same. All of the original plates for the Fridolin Hamma book were destroyed in the war so Walter Hamma used other photos from the Hamma archive.

It's true that many of the photos in Jalovec's books are from the Firdolin Hamma book, but not all of them. Jalovec took photos from wherever he could get them, including old Wurlitzer and Lyon & Healy catalogs, and other dealer catalogs. In general, virtually all of the books published before about 1960 (with the exception of the Hills books) need to be viewed with skepticism.

I'm not sure that the two ex-Rode del gesu's, ID=389 (dated 1730) and ID=404 (dated 1734) are in fact the same instrument. I've never seen photos of 389, and a reference to it appears only once in the Hills book. The current owner at the time (1931) is identified as Frl. Rode and the previous owner as von Heyder. According to Doring, the other ex-Rode (ID=389) was owned by Harry Wahl in 1931. Can anyone solve this conundrum?

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Posted Friday, October 06, 2006 11:47 AM
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You are right: ID=389 and ID=404 are not the same instrument. In the 1932 Hills book not only the violin from 1730 is listed (page 78: Frl. [=Miss.] Rode), but also that from 1734 (page 84: M. Harry Wahl).
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Posted Friday, October 06, 2006 3:30 PM
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The Catalogue by Jalovec, Italienische Geigenbauer (*), represents photos of two violins "ex-Rode", it is 1730 (ID 389) and 1734 (ID 404). Both photos from archive of The Collection Hamma and Co., Stuttgart. Both violins have back two-pieces of a maple, and these are different a violins. I never met, that symbol Frl. designated Miss. Hill would designate it as Mlle (mademoiselle), or as Mrs. In catalogue Jalovec (*) 391 photos, in the foreword he writes, that has received from Fridolina Hamma 620 photos. Probably, he used also other photos which are not belonging to firm Hamma and Co., but it is not enough such photos and they have no mark “Col. Hamma & Co.”. Rode died in November 25 1830, Hills have written the book in hundred years after his death. For this time the violin could replace many owners, it is quite possible, that him could be Harry Wahl.
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Posted Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:15 AM


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Right, Rode obviously couldn't have owned the instrument in 1931 (his spirit perhaps). I need to check the Hill and Jalovec books again to see if I can sort this out.....

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